The Seed of Satan: Part 2

Seed of Satan: Part 2

By way of introduction, please read The Seed of Satan: Part 1 of Many.

In this blog I will shed more light on why I believe the antichrist will be or at least could be—a Nephilim—the seed of Satan mingled with a woman.

When it comes to end-time prophecy few would argue there are some very difficult and often misunderstood scriptures. Many of these difficult scriptures are contained in Daniel. If we look at the antichrist as a Nephilim—the seed of Satan and a woman—then it seems to bring some clarity to a few of these end-time scriptures. In this blog we will take a closer look at Daniel 2:42-45.

First dealing with Daniel 2:42-45 in the NASV, then on to the KJV. These scriptures must be looked at in order to first discuss them, then put them on their proper shelf. This was part of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream that Daniel revealed to him and then interpreted. The NASV reads:

“As the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle. 43 And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery. 44 In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever. 45 Inasmuch as you saw that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands and that it crushed the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold, the great God has made known to the king what will take place in the future; so the dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy.” 

Clearly we are reading about end-times, though most would agree this was a two-fold prophecy: both a nearer to Daniel future prophecy and an end-time prophecy. It must be declaring the end-times due to verse 44, where God states both the establishment of His Kingdom and the end of ALL other kingdoms. Verse 44 coincides with Revelation 11:15, which is during the sounding of the 7^th trumpet and nearing the 3^rd woe:

Then the seventh angel sounded [its trumpet]; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”  

When teachers exegete Daniel 2:43 using their primary translation as either the KJV or the NKJV they usually interpret it in a way that lends towards another influx of Nephilim in the end-times. Both the KJV and the NKJV translations lead one to the conclusion that the “they” within are fallen angels. In the KJV Daniel 2:42 reads:

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.  

I have heard prominent teachers exegete Daniel 2:43 as though it reads: 

And whereas thou sawest iron [fallen angels] mixed with miry clay [mankind], they [fallen angels] shall mingle [have intercourse] with the seed of men [women] and have Nephilim babies by them: but they [the seed of women mixed with the seed of fallen angels] shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

It appears that Nephilim could not reproduce Nephilim. Instead, their offspring were giants (Numbers 13:33; also called Rephaim, sons of Anak, and Emim) able to reproduce with other humans and each other. Nephilim were on the earth both before and after the flood. There are only two references to them in the Bible. Some commentators divide these two references into two different group: the first being a union between fallen angels and the second being their subsequent generations.  

Since there is tremendous reason to conclude that the “they” in Daniel 2:42 are not fallen angels and there is also tremendous reason to see how they could be, I’m going to leave it there—in tension. I'm persuaded that the "they" here are not fallen angels. But for the rest of this blog Daniel 2:43 isn’t a necessary scripture leading me to believe that the antichrist is, or at least is highly likely to be, a Nephilim.

To be continued.

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Under His Wings

 Under His Wings

Recently the Lord spoke to me. I saw a great number of people who had been waiting years for their God-given vision to come to pass. Instead of giving up they tucked themselves under the shadow of His wings. 

I see you, says the Lord. I know you. Do not lose heart and give up for at the proper time you will reap, if you do not become weary. Your faith is precious to Me. Keep believing Me even if you do not receive, in this age, what has been promised. For some promises and some of what I have shown you will be fulfilled in the next age – during the millennial reigning with My Son for 1000 years. Know assuredly that you will receive what has been promised. I see your faith in Me as already having receive what has been promised, for you see it afar off and embrace it as though it was already here. I have so much more for you, more than you can even imagine. Live with eternity in view. Again, do not lose heart. Keep believing Me and continue to stay close under the shadow of My wing.

For a doctrinal explanation see:

Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Psalm 91:1 He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty... 4 He shall cover you with His feathers, And under His wings you shall take refuge.

Caught by Surprise

Caught by Surprise

Ephesians 4:1 caught me by surprise. 

A lot happened at church yesterday. Our pastor gave a fantastic message on unity/disunity in the church concerning C-19: to mask or not to mask, to gather or not, social distancing, etc, and BLM. There were a couple prophecies, worship was good, and friends. All-in-all it was a fantastic service. 

But then there was that Ephesians 4:1 scripture that nailed my heart to the wall. It is still haunting—yes, that is an appropriate use of the word—me today. Here it is: 

I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called… Ephesians 4:1

Get ready, here we go.

Many of us, because we are unwilling to sanctify ourselves, will never fulfill our God-given call. That is the raw truth. We will live in spiritual frustration and dullness as we live out the carnal mixture of Kingdom and worldliness. Knowing there is more, for our hearts yearn for the more, but never attaining what could be. 

Who are you? Do you have a God-given vision that you haven’t yet walked in? Is it God’s timing that hasn’t yet made this vision a reality yet or is it your unwillingness to walk the worthy walk? That is a hard question. 

Can you imagine getting to the end of your life and realizing that you never paid the price to live the life God had for you? You could have changed lives. You could have saved the lost. You could have prophesied to those people. You could have had a healing ministry. You could have… Ouch, that is painful, but is it more painful than the worthy walk? 

That is the question. 

We only live once. 

 

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The Seed of Satan: Part 1

The Seed of Satan: Part 1 

When God was talking to the serpent in Genesis 3:15 He said, “And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.”

We probably all know the theology behind “her seed,” meaning Jesus Messiah. We acknowledge that Genesis prophesies concerning the seed of the woman (Mary) and not the seed of the man, as is typical of genealogies, for Jesus’ seed came from the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:18-20). But have you ever considered what God meant by “the seed of the serpent”?

Could the antichrist, the beast of Revelation, the man of sin in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, the lawless one of 2 Thessalonians 2:8, the Assyrian, the son of perdition, and many other titles, be a Nephilim?

Nephilim were both before and after the flood (Genesis 6:4). They are the giants of old. The Hebrew word translated as Nephilim is found only three times in the OT: Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33, where it appears twice:

There were giants [Nephilim] on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:4

“There we saw the giants [Nephilim] (the descendants of Anak came from the giants [Nephilim]); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

Numbers 13:33

More references to giants are in the OT. The Anakim (descendants of Anak), the Philistines (Goliath was a Philistine), Rephaim, and Og of Bashon were all giants. Deuteronomy says of Og:

For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the giants. Indeed his bedstead was an iron bedstead. (Is it not in Rabbah of the people of Ammon?) Nine cubits is its length and four cubits its width, according to the standard cubit.

Deuteronomy 3:11

Og’s bed measured 13.5’ x 6’!

The last reference to a giant is in 1 Chronicles 20:7. He was killed by David’s brother, Jonathan, the son of Shimea.

But, just who are the Nephilim? In order to answer this we must look at who the sons of God are in Genesis 6:4. First, to state the obvious, the distinction is the sons of God verses the daughters of men. Many people believe they (the sons of Seth) are the righteous of their day, as though Seth was uniquely righteous in his day. But is this a fair interpretation? Looking at this in context listed is what we know:

1.    Daughters were born to men.

2.    Sons of God took these daughters of men as their wives, any that they chose.

3.    This union, between the daughters of men and the sons of God, produced a unique offspring called Nephilim or giants—they were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

So could the sons of Seth be the sons of God, as some believe? Would righteous men take unrighteous women (daughters of men) as wives? Would they not then, subsequently, be unrighteous men? Furthermore, would human to human intercourse consistently produce a new type of human where all were men, all were giants, and all were mighty? The term “sons of God” everywhere else in the OT means angels—all in Job. Much more could be said about why the sons of God cannot be the offspring of Seth, but for this blog, this will suffice. Through logical exegesis, the sons of God cannot mean the sons of Seth, and the daughters of men cannot be concluded as merely unrighteous women. General giants (Strong’s 07497) seem to be the descendants of the Nephilim, whereas the Nephilim (Strong’s 05303) were the offspring of the sons of God (fallen angels) and the daughters of men (humans).

Both 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6 discuss angels who are already bound in chains awaiting judgment. Both references are in the context of Sodom and Gomorrah, both of which are known for and were destroyed for their sexual perversion. Jude puts it this way:

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 6-7

Major points to take away from Jude:

1.    Some angels left their proper domain.

2.    They are already in chains.

3.    [These angels] as did Sodom and Gomorrah… in a similar manner…

a.    gave themselves over to sexual immorality

b.    went after strange flesh

Interesting flow of thought in these scriptures. It cannot go unnoticed that these chained angels gave themselves to sexual immorality and went after strange flesh. Sodom and Gomorrah were completely destroyed, as was all flesh (except those in the Ark) during the Flood. We must conclude, though none of us understand how, that angels (fallen ones, in such cases) can produce offspring with humans; although it appears only with women, and only can produce male offspring.

Now to tie all this back to the seed of Satan from Genesis 3.

1 Thessalonians 2 is a startling section of scripture. It discusses the lawless one who deceives the whole world. The Holy Spirit currently restrains Satan from manifesting his lawless son of perdition. Which means, if the Holy Spirit was not restraining the end-time affairs, Satan would already have it all wrapped up. But the Holy Spirit is restraining him, hence the man of sin (the beast; the antichrist) will be instated when God allows. At that time he will take a seat in the Temple of God—this is the abomination of desolation. Who is this one, the antichrist? I believe he is a Nephilim, due to Genesis 3:15 “And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.”

We know that the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary and she conceived Jesus (And the angel answered and said to her [Mary], “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God” (Luke 1:35)). The Holy Spirit is a spirit. The angels who left their abode and are currently in chains are spirits. Satan is a spirit. It appears that spirits can, in some circumstances, impregnate women, bizarre as it sounds. I believe this is why the Nephilim were giants and mighty men—they were a mixed-breeds: fallen angels and human.

And, I believe that the beast, the son of perdition, the lawless one, the abomination of desolation, the Assyrian—that one—will also be a Nephilim: the seed of Satan mixed with a woman.

Your thought?

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Why I Love the Prophetic: A Personal Testimony

Why I Love the Prophetic

On July 3, while shopping, a family walked past me in the parking lot. As they did, I heard the Holy Spirit speak to me about the son. He is a tall 6’9,” as I came to find out. The Holy Spirit, in a nut shell, said that He was going to give the son a platform and a microphone and make him His mouthpiece. And when He did—when that day came that Jesus elevated him—the son was to remember it was the Lord Jesus Christ who opened that door for him. And when that day came, he was to lift up Jesus even as Jesus is the One who lifted him up.

As I shopped in our local Walmart I didn’t see them even one time. After 40 minutes, I was ready to leave. As I talked to the Lord about what to do, they passed right in front of me. I nonchalantly followed them to the back of the store. When I approached them, I told them that I was a Christian and that when they passed me in the parking lot I heard the Holy Spirit speak to me about their son. I then asked if it was ok to talk to him. They were elated and gave their permission.

The son (I cannot remember his name—terrible, I know) is 17, and as stated above, is 6’9” tall. I asked if they knew who Jesus is, and they assured me they did. So I told them the above message. They were all so thankful and explained that they were from SF and were in the area to see a specialist for their son’s eye, which was a bit bloodshot. They welcomed prayer for their son’s eye. We had a great time hugging and laughing together right there in Walmart. And I left.

When I was in line, checking out, the mom and son came in behind me. “Oh there she is right in front of us.” They explained they’d wanted to see me again. The father came up and tried to pay for my groceries—thankfully I’d already put my card in the little machine. When I was done checking out the father and I chatted while the mom and son were checking out. He kept trying to give me money and I kept saying “please don’t make me take your money.” Both of us had tears streaming as he kept trying to give me money and I kept telling him that isn’t the way it works and that I could not take it. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw him stuff some money in my purse. I grabbed the wadded up money and asked him to please, if he wanted to do something with the money, to ask Jesus what to do with it, then do it. He just was so thankful that he wanted to do something.

We hugged and loved on each other then went our separate ways. None of us were even thinking about our race (they are African-American and me, white) or political views—right there in the midst of Walmart, we were experiencing the Kingdom of God where we are family.

Are Enoch and Elijah the Two Witnesses?

Are Enoch and Elijah the Two Witnesses?

Could the two witnesses in Revelation 11 be Enoch and Elijah?

Painiting by Van Dyck

A few years ago I was chatting with a very devout student of the Bible. He had written a book on the end-times and was convinced that the two witnesses in Revelation 11 are Enoch and Elijah. Could he, and many others who also believe they are, in fact, Enoch and Elijah, be right? Here are some known details:

1.   Both Enoch and Elijah were translated into Heaven without dying. (Enoch: Genesis 5:24; Elijah: 2 Kings 2:11).

2.   Moses and Elijah met with Jesus in Matthew 17. Elijah had been translated; Moses had died (Joshua 1:2/Jude 1:9).

3.   The two witnesses in Revelation 11 are directly related to the two olive trees in Zechariah 4 (Rev 11:4/Zechariah 4).

4.   These two prophesy during the 2nd woe (Revelation 11:14), which is in the midst of the seventh seal (8:1) and the sixth trumpet (9:13-14 which continues through to 11:15); a few scriptures later, during the 7th (and last) trumpet the mystery of God is complete (10:7, 11:15).

5.   The two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days. There are still 30 days at the end of these 1260 days (Daniel 12:11) and then 45 more (Daniel 12:12).

Revelation 11:4, in view of Zechariah 4, is a strange and fascinating part of scripture. And although reasons exist why some believe these two are Enoch and Elijah prophesying, I do not believe the two witnesses could possibly be Enoch and Elijah. They are forerunners, however, to the rapture of God’s people. The rapture takes place at Jesus’ 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:52). Following is my reasoning.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 states the chronological events:

1.   Jesus descends (:16)

2.   The dead in Christ rise first (:16).

3.   Those who are still alive on earth, together with the resurrected saints, meet the Lord in the air (:15-:17).

4.   God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus (:14).

5.   We are all forever with the Lord (:17).

And 1 Corinthians 15 states at Jesus’ 2nd coming two things must take place:

1.   The dead in Christ are raised from their graves (1 Corinthians 15:23).

2.   And we will be changed (15:51-52); both, whether living or dead, become immortal, if they are in Christ (:53).

This is in context of these prominent Scriptures:

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed — 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.* For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

(1 Corinthians 15:50-54)

No one can see God and live, with a natural body that is. Job said: And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, That in my flesh I shall see God… Job 11:26 (Also see Exodus 33:20.)

At present the bodies of those who are dead in Christ are separated from their soul and spirit. Their souls and spirits are now with God in Heaven (Revelation 6:9-10; 2 Corinthians 5:8), while their bodies are given to death and decay (Daniel 12:2). When Jesus returns, each soul and spirit will be reunited with its immortal resurrected body. (See Revelation 6:9-11.)

Now to get back to Enoch and Elijah. How does all this support that Elijah and Enoch cannot be the two witnesses?

The beast who comes out of the abyss (the antichrist) kills the two witnesses (Revelation 11:7). Their bodies lie in the street for 3 days. Then God first resurrects them and then He raptures them. Since flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 15:50 above) and no one can see God and live (Exodus 33:20), Enoch and Elijah must have been changed (new bodies) before they went to heaven and met God face-to-face. Consider that we who are alive and remain, who are caught up to meet the Lord in the air, are changed—into what? A body that is immortal and which cannot die (1 Corinthians 15:54-55, Luke 20:34-36). Hence, Elijah and Enoch, who were translated (raptured) without dying were taken up, as Hebrews 11:5 says of Enoch. This means they would have new bodies—immortal and incorruptible, and therefore they could not die, as Luke 20:36 states. The two witnesses in Revelation 11, however, die at the hands of the beast.

So there you have it: the two witnesses cannot be Enoch and Elijah, nor Moses. 

*Interesting to note that this is at the last trumpet, which is the 7th trumpet, according to Revelation 11. There is not another reference to trumpets sounding after the 7th. It is at this point that the return of Jesus, the 1st resurrection, and the rapture all take place. And although Jesus returns to the earth at the 7th trumpet's sounding, it's another 30 days before He enters Jerusalem. During these 30 days (Isaiah 63:1-6, Daniel 12:11) He marches up from Bozrah to Jerusalem slaughtering His enemies along the way.

  

Because of the Times: A Word from God

Because of the Times

The Holy Spirit spoke this to me on June 17, 2020:

“Because of the times and the intensity of the news and world affairs many have developed an over eating diet of news and politics. The Holy Spirit says to put yourself on a healthy diet: consume more of the Bible and pray more. When day after day what should be eaten in moderation becomes a steady diet, people become unhealthy very fast. Consider your ways, says the Lord, and turn.”

In these days there is so much news, much of which is not true. How can we discern if we are drunk on worldly affairs?

I gather selective news from different sources—in moderation. It is easy to consume so much news, whether correct or fake, that we become agitated, angry, and lack peace. I have seen some people I know who used to be fiery for God become, instead, more fiery for politics.

I love the United States; I love President Trump and I will defend him, but I love the Lord and His Kingdom more.

(People are going to Hell!)

We want to be mature Christians, able to make spiritual judgments about all things (1 Corinthians 2). This will likely not happen if our diet is off. We will make carnal/worldly judgments instead of making spiritual ones: judgments that come from the Lord and not our own reasoning. Remember these Scriptures?

Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. (Proverbs 3:4),

There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. (Proverbs 14:12)

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:8-9)

Make the great exchange—His ways for your ways; His thoughts for your thoughts.

Pick up your Bible and courageously pray today. Go be with the Lord—just you and Him. Pray about the things you are angry about; pray about the things that cause you fear; pray about everything.

Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. (Philippians 4:6-7)

God is in charge. He can and will hear us.

And really, He is the only One Who can change things.

We have been given an opportunity to see who we are in strange times though Covid-19, and now the riots and unrest in the USA. We have seen how quickly the scene around us can change. Who are you in the hard times? 

Are you filled with fear and anger?

If you are, change your diet.

What Time is It?

What Time is It?

So much unrest.

What did Jesus have in mind when He said “Nation shall rise against nation”? The Greek word for nation is: ethnos; Strong’s number: 1484. Ethnos can mean nation; it is also the word for ethnic groups.

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“Ethnos against ethnos.”

It is what we see in the Middle East between Israel and the Palestinians; the Pakistani against the Indian; and so forth. We see it here in the US too.

My spirit is stirred,

but so is my flesh.

What time is it? No, don’t look at your watch, rather look at the day, the tensions, and the climate in our country and around the world. What time is it? Remember how fast everything shut down over Covid-19 just a couple month ago? All of which now—in a day—has been literally swept aside for a new conversation. What happened to the FBI investigations? The impeachment(s)? Wave after wave is crashing against the shore of humanity.

How are we responding? 

Are we responding:

in the spirit

or

in the flesh?

It cannot be both.

This is a critical time in our country. It is a critical time for the church in our country. The church, I’m sure, should not go back to business as usual—both the Sunday gatherings and individuals who are the church. We must stop living according to the flesh and live by the Spirit of God within us. Ethnos against ethnos is living according to the flesh. The Bible says in Galatians 5:

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.

Galatians 5:16-17

This may be common language to those who read this blog, but really, how many people who go to church or who would call themselves a Christian think in these terms: flesh verses spirit?

I think very few.

Before the Throne of God is every ethnos.

After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation (ethnos), from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” Revelation 7:9-10

On the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2) God’s Spirit brought all nations together under the banner of His new people called The Church. This would be fully realized later in Acts by Peter. Peter encountered God’s plan through a vision. He saw God’s inclusiveness of all people through Jesus Christ (Acts 10).

As goes the church so goes society. We are the gatekeepers—the watchmen—to society. Remember the “If My people would…” Well, it’s true. We, the church, must—must—talk to God (humble ourselves and pray) and stop living by the flesh (turn from our wicked ways). God is the only One wo can heal our land.

When God is removed through disbelief and/or ignored due to worldliness and carnality what is left to take His place?

My dear friend,

chaos.


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Pre-tribulation Rapture Eschatology?

Pre-tribulation Rapture Eschatology?

Years ago I was in a Bible Study discussing the Book of Revelation. Our teacher was a hardcore Pretrib rapturist. His eschatology, along with every other Pretrib rapturist I have met, believe that there are two foundational reasons for their Pretrib belief:

1.   The “He” in 2 Thessalonians 2:7¹ is the Holy Spirit and when He is taken out of the way (removed from the earth) that He takes the whole Church along with Him. The Church and the Holy Spirit are no longer on the earth. Therefore sin and evil run rampant due to the void left on the earth when both the Church and the Holy Spirit are no longer on the earth.

¹For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:7

2.   The Church (God’s people) are not appointed to wrath² and therefore are not present when the wrath of God is revealed in the Book of Revelation during the Tribulation.

²For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ… 1 Thessalonians 5:9

There is a problem.

Pretrib rapturists also believe that during the Tribulation many people will come to Christ. They believe that the unsaved, after witnessing the rapture, will be convinced about the truth of Jesus. This will lead to a great ingathering. They conclude these people are the martyrs who are under the alter asking:

“How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Verse 11 continues: Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. Revelation 6:10-11

Furthermore, they believe that during the Tribulation all Israel will be saved—the rapture of the church also leads to Israel’s salvation. Romans 11:25-26 states that all of Israel will be saved after the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

The problem continues:

To reiterate 1 above: Pretribulation rapturists believe that the Holy Spirit removes the Church when He Himself is “taken out of the way,” leaving a void for the most pronounced evil to run rampant upon the earth. If the Holy Spirit is removed “taken out of the way” from the earth, how will people get saved? It takes the Holy Spirit for someone to become born-again. Jesus is the threshold, but the Holy Spirit is the means to rebirth—one receives Jesus and the Holy Spirit comes into them, regenerates them making them a new creation in Christ.

So again I ask: If the Holy Spirit is gone, how will anyone become a Christian? Furthermore, if someone did become a Christian, the church would again be on the earth. The church is anywhere a Christian is, therefore if someone receives Christ the church again exists on the earth.

Food for thought.

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